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Antal Deutsch, Professor, PhD from McGill. Tony Deutsch says he "came to McGill in 1959 as a graduate student and never really left." His research interests include pension plans, social security, taxes, and economic transformation. He is currently adviser to the Hungarian government, and has recently lectured on pension reform in China, Lithuanian and the Ukrainian Republic.

Hi David and Diana, if you click on this link , and then on NEW LIVES, you will find the full material of an exhibit which opened in Ottawa in October 2006, has been in Toronto, is currently in Halifax, and will open in Budapest next month. I suspect you will find other acquaintances, not just me, in the collection.
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Antal Deutsch, Professor, PhD from McGill. Tony Deutsch says he "came to McGill in 1959 as a graduate student and never really left." His research interests include pension plans, social security, taxes, and economic transformation. He is currently adviser to the Hungarian government, and has recently lectured on pension reform in China, Lithuanian and the Ukrainian Republic.





2002 Hij houdt zich vooral bezig met pensioensystemen en de fiscaliteit. Hij is gastdocent geweest bij het Instituut van Zuid-Oost Aziatische Studies in Singapore en aan de Harvard Universiteit.

May 4-16, 1999 Project Management selected Dr. Antal (Tony) Deutsch, a Professor at McGill University who had been intensively involved in the reform of the pension system in Hungary, as the Canadian Advisor. The PWG comprised 15 members, three from each of the respective groups, and was accompanied by the Ukraine CIUS Coordinator. The Executive Director of the Community Energy Foundation, the current Ukrainian partner of CIUS, participated as one of the experts in the PWG. The Verkhovna Rada members (Deputies and Secretariat) represented the Committee on Pensioners or, in one case, on Social Policy and Labour.





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926 1 Dec 99 Riots in Seattle at the W.T.O, power of the people?, with solutions, Tony Deutsch, Guy Stanley WTO.. Yvette Biondi, Holly Jonas, June Riley Aislin Walkies ...The Referendum ..here Rex Murphy Cross Country Checkup

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November 24, 1999 #925 selling our excess fresh water Tony Deutsch, Guy Stanley WTO Yvette Biondi ..800,000 Quebeckers receive social assistance ..Ed Broadbent on kids in poverty .. ideas Holly Jonas ..9th year US expansion Dr. Marc Hoper .. Quebec Medical system June Riley, Jacques Clément

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Wed923LR 10 Nov 1999 asked that we examine: debt targets, Tax relief / reform, Social infrastructure, Internet & new tech., Productivity?, 30$ our debt owned by foreigners, .. education = we cannot compete, 7.2% unemployment not acceptable, Poverty, jobs, SOLUTIONS:, Air Canada/ONEX/Canadian, John Ciaccia, Jacques Clément, Prof Tony Deutsch, Julius Grey, Simon Potter, Guy Stanley, Robin Wohnsigl

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Dr. Margo Somerville
915 September 15, 1999 Human embryo 'pharming' Bioethics, cloning engineering "Dolly" with Dr. Margo Somerville and Robert Letendre and Antal Trent on Mega City Jill Hugessen intro Susan Reid PHD marketing Concordia Warren Allmand & Me Marie Cormie ,,"goodness/evil"? Prof Tony Deutsch "Intense fear is the normal state of the human brain."see the pan photo

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August 18, 1999 Wed911 Water Judith Patterson introduced Dr. Dieter Soyez …, Couch Margaret Lefebvre & Alex Weinstein, Julius Grey Warren Allmand, CONRAD BLACK, IJC REPORT - A SIX-MONTH MORATORIUM, Great Lakes, Tony Deutsch, Tony Masi, George Cavadias , take > 1% = mining,

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Me Marie Cormier


Wed 897 Chil Heward Antal Deutsch Ph.D. Antal R. Andersen, Ph.D. of Andersen Economic Research Ltd reviewed Terry Leventos (Interinvest) Michael Judson ..euro & UK; NA common currency? Frank Kruzich Air Canada Marie Cormier Robin Wolnsigl Terry Leventos Chris Ragan Lehrer Report" by three Russians Mr. Yeltsin has gone over the edge ..China ..Robert Rubin ..Buy Canadian markets!

Dow 10,000 #889 Green money, oil, Olympic ring, Pierre Bossé intro Guy Stanley ..Colonels, Condos and Copps ,Jacques Clément Euro.. stock market = 250% of GDP, vs 50% 15 yrs ago. Tony Deutsch MSE Marie Cormier 25 yrs at the bar..

Antal Deutsch Ph.D.
Dr. Antal Deutsch
#888 China Fr. David Oliver, Katheyn Quilico, Uha Kay ,Dr. Paul Saba, Lina Uberti, Antal Ferst ..day trading Me Marie Cormier Dr. Antal Deutsch Sam Totah & Pierre Arbour ..Québec Budget John Buchanan Frank Kruzich


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THE INTERFACE BETWEEN STATE, OCCUPATIONAL AND PERSONAL

PENSIONS IN AN EMERGING ECONOMY

A presentation to the EURACS Conference "Pensions in Europe"

Budapest, October 4/5, 1996

Introduction

It has been understood all along that the process of transformation and privatization of the formally centrally planned economies will involve a drastic reduction in the cash flow accruing to the state treasury. The reason for this is the disappearance of a great deal of economic activity from the public ambit. On the other side of the budgetary equation, social commitments, including health care, pensions, as well as the costs of maintaining the entire government apparatus remain. In a situation like this, there is a natural tendency for a significant budgetary deficit to appear. The theory proved to be right.

Publicly Provided Pensions

The typical planned economy in Europe had a centrally provided pension system. The pension formula (wage and service related) was common to all citizens, but the institutions provided for the quasi-arbitrary enhancement of pensions by political fiat. There were no central records on wages and service. An actuarial evaluation of such a system is difficult, but in any case, those in charge before 1989 did not seem to be interested. Following the commitment to transformation, large budgetary deficits, and pension commitments of hard-to-forecast magnitudes appeared. At least in some transforming economies, this development coincided in time with adverse demographic developments, as well as an economic downturn associated with the transformation process.

Under these circumstances, it became realistic policy to aim for a level of pension provision providing survival income for all retired citizens. For some transforming economies, even that goal could not be met.

This is where there is a parting of the ways among the emerging market economies. The Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland and Slovenia, are candidates for early admission to the European union. A number of the other transforming economies however, will continue to have to struggle to obtain and to maintain survival level incomes for their pensioners. For the latter group in particular, whatever retirement income in excess of survival is desired, will have to come from privately provided pensions. In line with this expectation, we hear of numerous private pension plans springing up with little by the way of legal provision for regulation.

In the four countries named, and perhaps in some others, national income is now, or should soon be, at the level that permits the general provision of floor level public pensions. Here too, the provision of additional comfort in old age will have to come from the private sector. The policy problem of how much to provide seems to be constrained by the present level of payroll taxes and employee contributions to finance the existing public structures. It is difficult to imagine any of the four governments enacting increased levels of compulsory contributions in the near future.

Accordingly, private provision may have to come, as is currently planned for Hungary, from the diversion of funds now coming into the public system. That in turn raises what might be called a cash flow problem for the state pension system. This points to an interesting question in macro-economics. If the central budget is to fill the gap, and as a result a higher current deficit arises in the government's accounts, does that cause additional strains in the economic system?

The orthodox view on this question is that the increase in the budgetary deficit will increase national debt with all the undesirable consequences thereof. A more recent perception points to the ongoing existence of an unrecorded national debt arising from existing pension promises. If the government budget is used to finance a paydown of the implicit national debt referred to in the preceding sentence, all that happens is that implicit debt becomes explicit, or recorded, national debt. The economic consequences are restricted to the perception of myopic observers, who have previously disregarded the existence of the implicit debt. How much is this consequence worth as a restraint to the reform process?



The General Issues

Looking at the early candidates for European admission, it is clear that in the 40/50 year horizon of pension planning, their long-term problems will be the same as those of the other OECD countries. I can see two sets of problems; one in the public, and one in the private sector.

In the public sector, we are accustomed to looking at the cash flow problems of pension schemes to assess their viability. By this criterion, a combination of premium increases and benefit reductions will solve almost any problem. Let me propose a second criterion not usually invoked. The participants in the public system have to be satisfied that their contributions will stand scrutiny as an investment in competition with other investments in the market. In plain English, this means that the internal rate of return to the participant should be no lower than 3% real. This was no problem with the early stages of the pay-as-you-go system in the Unites States and in Canada, and I presume elsewhere, because rates of return to the early participants were spectacularly high in the double-digit range. We now know that demographics and slow economic growth are making the return close to zero and perhaps negative to persons now starting their careers. People are not stupid. They mistrust government pension plans and rightly so. Nothing will save these plans from politicians who draw their inspiration from public opinion polls.

This suggests that in the public sector, public assistance to the poor should be disentangled from the general provision for pensions. It is reasonable to legislate that those who can, should provide for their own old age. It is decent and humane to provide for those who, for whatever reason, could not.

This policy outline suggests a restriction of the public sphere to the provision of assistance to the poor and the enforcement of compulsory savings as an act of paternalism, as well as an attempt to minimize public charges. Given demographics and economic growth in advanced industrialized societies, it is unlikely that pay-as-you-go funding will meet the needs of people expecting the 3% real-rate of return, or more, on their pension savings. Consequently, it is reasonable to expect countries to legislate compulsory savings with full funding, looked after by private investment management.

Presumably, compulsion to save should be minimal and restricted to the modest goal of survival in old age, or to the case of disability. The rest of pension provisions will be by necessity up to the decision of the citizen. This raises the question of desirable coverage in terms of wage replacement ratios. In traditional pension planning, we have assumed that a traditional 70% replacement ratio will amply cover the retirement needs of a person who withdraws from the labour force, spends his day on no too-demanding leisure activities, and eventually fades from the scene. Looking down the road, the picture painted in the previous sentence is increasingly unrealistic.

It is useful now to distinguish between young pensioners and old pensioners. Young pensioners may in fact continue to earn money on post-retirement/part-time jobs to supplement their pensions. Others will use their newly gained leisure to adopt a new expensive "golf in Algarvae" lifestyle, where presumably the 70% replacement ratio might be less than adequate.

And then there are the "old pensioners". These are persons who have lost their health and the ability to carry on independently. Advances in medicine assure us that there will be more and more such persons. In order to deal with the economic consequences of the increased prevalence of dependency, considerably more money is required on the level of the household than for "young pensioners".

Conclusion

What does all this tell us? First, the public systems are likely to limit their long-term involvement to assistance to the poor. Second, there will be more publicly legislated compulsory savings, probably managed in the private sectors. Third, increased longevity in the industrialized countries will lead to a serious re-examination of pension plans providing constant replacement rates. In sum, the actuarial profession may have to rethink the basic pension plan designs now provided.


Antal Deutsch Professor of Economics McGill University Montreal, Canada


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